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		<title>By: El Fon Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Five Stages of a Fon e-Movement</title>
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		<dc:creator>El Fon Blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; The Five Stages of a Fon e-Movement</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 19:50:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TOS now, and are growing increasingly unhappy. Fon focuses on profitable router sales, and actively conceals statistics which reveal real growth, churn, and actual service availability. Fon diverts resources [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Juan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Juan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, nice CEO&#039;s comments Harry Wolf, is courious that you talk about SCAM when referring to FON. I can see fear “somehow” on that comment.

I  really like your understanding Hanz, I believe in Holland there is something really deep and known about what matters.

We really do not need CEO bussiness expertise on that, we all know sturbucks is a big money maker and as per so, it integrates wifi connexion at their shops. 
The main idea is to build this net, cost-free and free access, thanks to the support of volunteers that show how things can be big and done just with the effort (time, in work market) plus habilities and tech.

Tech is available in almost every home in every &quot;developed&quot; country (the whole word has got many blogs and discussions), people can find enough “free cost time” to work on this, as the whole FON thingy proves. 

People are interested on developing ideas like that, and yes, it goes clearly against the economy rules and all the CEO&#039;s thoughts of masters making profit... IT IS NOT A PROFIT THINGY MATES. THIS IS A GOODWILL THINGY, or how does companies REALLY measure goodwill in their organisations?

The question is, when will people be able to put their own goodwill not to serve an organisation, but to serve an idea, a great idea as i.e. FON? 

I can say my life aim would be seeing that happening in my life time, rather than having as the most remarcable date in my life 11S. I take that as a signal of something begging for review.

Thanks for your time, 
Juan 26</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, nice CEO&#8217;s comments Harry Wolf, is courious that you talk about SCAM when referring to FON. I can see fear “somehow” on that comment.</p>
<p>I  really like your understanding Hanz, I believe in Holland there is something really deep and known about what matters.</p>
<p>We really do not need CEO bussiness expertise on that, we all know sturbucks is a big money maker and as per so, it integrates wifi connexion at their shops.<br />
The main idea is to build this net, cost-free and free access, thanks to the support of volunteers that show how things can be big and done just with the effort (time, in work market) plus habilities and tech.</p>
<p>Tech is available in almost every home in every &#8220;developed&#8221; country (the whole word has got many blogs and discussions), people can find enough “free cost time” to work on this, as the whole FON thingy proves. </p>
<p>People are interested on developing ideas like that, and yes, it goes clearly against the economy rules and all the CEO&#8217;s thoughts of masters making profit&#8230; IT IS NOT A PROFIT THINGY MATES. THIS IS A GOODWILL THINGY, or how does companies REALLY measure goodwill in their organisations?</p>
<p>The question is, when will people be able to put their own goodwill not to serve an organisation, but to serve an idea, a great idea as i.e. FON? </p>
<p>I can say my life aim would be seeing that happening in my life time, rather than having as the most remarcable date in my life 11S. I take that as a signal of something begging for review.</p>
<p>Thanks for your time,<br />
Juan 26</p>
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		<title>By: Hanz</title>
		<link>http://the.firehou.se/2006/09/25/the-real-fon-statistics-%e2%80%93-lies-manipulation-or-fantasy/comment-page-2/#comment-245</link>
		<dc:creator>Hanz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Apr 2008 12:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a sick comments... It&#039;s like television: if you don&#039;t like it, TURN IT OFF!!! I use FON almost everyday on my trips in Europe. There are a bunch of hotspots, it&#039;s free and it works. Oh, sorry, it&#039;s not free. It have cost me $5,00 for a wireless router.

Greetings from Holland,
Hanz</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a sick comments&#8230; It&#8217;s like television: if you don&#8217;t like it, TURN IT OFF!!! I use FON almost everyday on my trips in Europe. There are a bunch of hotspots, it&#8217;s free and it works. Oh, sorry, it&#8217;s not free. It have cost me $5,00 for a wireless router.</p>
<p>Greetings from Holland,<br />
Hanz</p>
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		<title>By: Harry Wolf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harry Wolf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 22:18:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last!

An honest appraisal of the ridiculous SCAM that is called FON.

Sadly there are people who actually believe that FON is somehow the new Utopian movement - well there is one born every minute.

My buddy and I were Skyping (another disaster on the way, but free for now) and we noticed this FON thing - quickly examined the site etc. and then looked a little deeper, and we can easily see the financial scam going on here. (Yes, we are ex-internet CEO&#039;s who didnt get quite enough cash from the Venture Capital guys...but thats another story!)

FON is  the classic bag game - you invest tons of cash in a useless but hyped venture, the &#039;losses&#039; are written off, the money goes into a bank account and out the other side. Its a great way to get CASH out of Ebay, Skype etc......

I want to state clearly that this really happens - yes, big biz types actually love to steal cash.

Of course, the practical application of &#039;FON&#039; is INSANE - re-selling a wireless network down a dark and dirty street in some ugly suburb of some little town  - so you settle down on a garden wall with your $2000 laptop to get &#039;free&#039; wireless and it starts to rain and then the local kids come along and steal your laptop. Great.

Worse still, the guy whose router you are on is downloading child pornography and you get arrested. cool.

Monetize that scenario, &#039;FON&#039; executives!

Alternative: go to Starbucks or other cafe, pay for a nice coffee and some wireless, relax in comfort and forget bad incident with &#039;FON&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last!</p>
<p>An honest appraisal of the ridiculous SCAM that is called FON.</p>
<p>Sadly there are people who actually believe that FON is somehow the new Utopian movement &#8211; well there is one born every minute.</p>
<p>My buddy and I were Skyping (another disaster on the way, but free for now) and we noticed this FON thing &#8211; quickly examined the site etc. and then looked a little deeper, and we can easily see the financial scam going on here. (Yes, we are ex-internet CEO&#8217;s who didnt get quite enough cash from the Venture Capital guys&#8230;but thats another story!)</p>
<p>FON is  the classic bag game &#8211; you invest tons of cash in a useless but hyped venture, the &#8216;losses&#8217; are written off, the money goes into a bank account and out the other side. Its a great way to get CASH out of Ebay, Skype etc&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>I want to state clearly that this really happens &#8211; yes, big biz types actually love to steal cash.</p>
<p>Of course, the practical application of &#8216;FON&#8217; is INSANE &#8211; re-selling a wireless network down a dark and dirty street in some ugly suburb of some little town  &#8211; so you settle down on a garden wall with your $2000 laptop to get &#8216;free&#8217; wireless and it starts to rain and then the local kids come along and steal your laptop. Great.</p>
<p>Worse still, the guy whose router you are on is downloading child pornography and you get arrested. cool.</p>
<p>Monetize that scenario, &#8216;FON&#8217; executives!</p>
<p>Alternative: go to Starbucks or other cafe, pay for a nice coffee and some wireless, relax in comfort and forget bad incident with &#8216;FON&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Lena Weldon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lena Weldon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 09:09:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This one makes sence &quot;One&#039;s first step in wisdom is to kuesstion everything - and one&#039;s last is to come to terms with everything.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This one makes sence &#8220;One&#8217;s first step in wisdom is to kuesstion everything &#8211; and one&#8217;s last is to come to terms with everything.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Chapel blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nuevo operador de redes WiFi:Whisher</title>
		<link>http://the.firehou.se/2006/09/25/the-real-fon-statistics-%e2%80%93-lies-manipulation-or-fantasy/comment-page-2/#comment-242</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Chapel blog &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Nuevo operador de redes WiFi:Whisher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Feb 2007 11:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Descubro en algunos blogs, la noticia de hace unas semanas relativas al nacimiento de un nuevo proyecto de redes WiFi que quiere competir contra FON. Se llama Whisher, y es un proyecto que nace en EspaÃ±a al igual que FON, con proyecciÃ³n mundial.&#160;Nace con polÃ©mica con MartÃ­n Varsavsky (fundador de FON) que asegura que FerrÃ¡n Moreno, fundador y CEO de Whisher jamÃ¡s ha trabajado en FON (ver the.next.net )El nuevo proyecto de Whisher no se basa en la distribuciÃ³n de routers inalÃ¡mbricos como FON, sino en el aprovechamiento de los ya existentes, tan solo bajandose una aplicaciÃ³n que permite una vez configurado los parÃ¡metros y condiciones de acceso, abir la navegaciÃ³n a una comunidad de amigos cerrada o a una comunidad abierta.Coincido con la opiniÃ³n de Error500&#160; en que cada vez veo mÃ¡s lejos las posibilidades de Ã©xito de FON, dada su lentitud en la distribuciÃ³n de routers inalÃ¡mbricos, su constante incumplimiento y el no alcanzar metas visibles y concretas al menos en EspaÃ±a (ver el artÃ­culo de hace unos meses de Mike Puchol que es otro de los fundadores de este nuevo start-up) . Por eso, aunque acaba de iniciar su andadura y hay pocos puntos en EspaÃ±a, preveo un incremento exponencial de Whisher ya que tan solo se requiere descargarse la aplicaciÃ³n, y eso es algo que muchos probarÃ¡n. Si el programa funciona, si los probadores ven las bondades de esta idea, seguro que veremos la v-doble roja en el mapa de Google, que hay en su pÃ¡gina, inundando todas las ciuades y pueblos. Cierto es que es necesario tener un router WiFi o inalÃ¡mbrico, y eso limita la expansiÃ³n, pero tambiÃ©n es cierto que la mayorÃ­a de los routers que se estÃ¡n montando desde hace algo mÃ¡s de un aÃ±o son inalÃ¡mbricos. El tiempo lo dirÃ¡, de momento bienvenida la competencia que deseamos dinamice las redes sociales y WiFi.AgradecerÃ­a la opiniÃ³n de alguno que ya haya probado Whisher. Â¿Funciona? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Descubro en algunos blogs, la noticia de hace unas semanas relativas al nacimiento de un nuevo proyecto de redes WiFi que quiere competir contra FON. Se llama Whisher, y es un proyecto que nace en EspaÃ±a al igual que FON, con proyecciÃ³n mundial.&nbsp;Nace con polÃ©mica con MartÃ­n Varsavsky (fundador de FON) que asegura que FerrÃ¡n Moreno, fundador y CEO de Whisher jamÃ¡s ha trabajado en FON (ver the.next.net )El nuevo proyecto de Whisher no se basa en la distribuciÃ³n de routers inalÃ¡mbricos como FON, sino en el aprovechamiento de los ya existentes, tan solo bajandose una aplicaciÃ³n que permite una vez configurado los parÃ¡metros y condiciones de acceso, abir la navegaciÃ³n a una comunidad de amigos cerrada o a una comunidad abierta.Coincido con la opiniÃ³n de Error500&nbsp; en que cada vez veo mÃ¡s lejos las posibilidades de Ã©xito de FON, dada su lentitud en la distribuciÃ³n de routers inalÃ¡mbricos, su constante incumplimiento y el no alcanzar metas visibles y concretas al menos en EspaÃ±a (ver el artÃ­culo de hace unos meses de Mike Puchol que es otro de los fundadores de este nuevo start-up) . Por eso, aunque acaba de iniciar su andadura y hay pocos puntos en EspaÃ±a, preveo un incremento exponencial de Whisher ya que tan solo se requiere descargarse la aplicaciÃ³n, y eso es algo que muchos probarÃ¡n. Si el programa funciona, si los probadores ven las bondades de esta idea, seguro que veremos la v-doble roja en el mapa de Google, que hay en su pÃ¡gina, inundando todas las ciuades y pueblos. Cierto es que es necesario tener un router WiFi o inalÃ¡mbrico, y eso limita la expansiÃ³n, pero tambiÃ©n es cierto que la mayorÃ­a de los routers que se estÃ¡n montando desde hace algo mÃ¡s de un aÃ±o son inalÃ¡mbricos. El tiempo lo dirÃ¡, de momento bienvenida la competencia que deseamos dinamice las redes sociales y WiFi.AgradecerÃ­a la opiniÃ³n de alguno que ya haya probado Whisher. Â¿Funciona? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: asdcx</title>
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		<dc:creator>asdcx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Feb 2007 14:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool</description>
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		<title>By: Mike Puchol</title>
		<link>http://the.firehou.se/2006/09/25/the-real-fon-statistics-%e2%80%93-lies-manipulation-or-fantasy/comment-page-2/#comment-240</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Puchol</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Y yo que pensaba que nadie se leia este articulo...me explicas en que le falto el respeto a los foneros? El que falta el respeto a los foneros es Martin, y si no, date una vueltecita por los foros de Fon y luego hablamos. Dime cuantos comentarios positivos hay y cuantos respecto a cobrar y no enviar los routers, a incumplir promesas, etc. Y esto ya pasaba hace meses cuando publique estos numeros!!

Si tu fonera va bien, pues ole! Y si la quieres compartir ademas con Whisher, pues tambien puedes, nadie te dice que tengas que dejar de ser de Fon para utilizar Whisher. Si insistes en pensar asi, es que no has entendido nada.

Saludos,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Y yo que pensaba que nadie se leia este articulo&#8230;me explicas en que le falto el respeto a los foneros? El que falta el respeto a los foneros es Martin, y si no, date una vueltecita por los foros de Fon y luego hablamos. Dime cuantos comentarios positivos hay y cuantos respecto a cobrar y no enviar los routers, a incumplir promesas, etc. Y esto ya pasaba hace meses cuando publique estos numeros!!</p>
<p>Si tu fonera va bien, pues ole! Y si la quieres compartir ademas con Whisher, pues tambien puedes, nadie te dice que tengas que dejar de ser de Fon para utilizar Whisher. Si insistes en pensar asi, es que no has entendido nada.</p>
<p>Saludos,</p>
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		<title>By: jc</title>
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		<dc:creator>jc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Feb 2007 00:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yo tengo mi router, mi fonera en varios puntos y me conecto bien e incluso veo que gente se conecta al mio y lo veo perfecto, si gana el varsvaski este o como se llame dinero con esto no lo creo, pero que ole sus cojones si esto continua y animo a todos a comprar en FON nada de mamarachadas como esta que faltan el respeto a los FONEROS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yo tengo mi router, mi fonera en varios puntos y me conecto bien e incluso veo que gente se conecta al mio y lo veo perfecto, si gana el varsvaski este o como se llame dinero con esto no lo creo, pero que ole sus cojones si esto continua y animo a todos a comprar en FON nada de mamarachadas como esta que faltan el respeto a los FONEROS</p>
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		<title>By: Gex World &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WHISHER, a per FON</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gex World &#187; Blog Archive &#187; WHISHER, a per FON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Feb 2007 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No hi ha sr. Varsavsky -&gt; Mike Puchol (crÃ­tica sobre FON) [...]</description>
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